Daryll Whitehead would be another good choice. If you want to make one as a sort of standard then try a rate of taper of 13.5 thousandths per station, it gives a Gould rating of 270 which is a useful point about which to have a conversation with yourself about what you think is medium fast and what you think is fast. I do find that I am using much shorter rods than I did, I think its the American influence of this Listserv! You can built say a 5wt using a 13/64 ferrule and any of these slopes, and they'll all be 5 weights, but if you do the math you'll see that the tip dimensions would vary greatly. Deduct 0.006 from butt, 0.004 from tip. Here are the tapers of the Dickerson 8014GS from the rod Jeff Fultz mic'ed and from Banjo's rod, since I had several requests both on and off list, I'll post here so anyone who wants them can save them. Just have finish paying for the last kids college. 4070 Main Street, I would love to have the opportunity to cast my perfectionist (or any one of the several I've made for people) against any 7 1/2-foot 5-weight of his choice and compare line speed, distance, accuracy, or any other criterion he would like. One of my favorite rods is a linear taper with a "slope" of .290/100". The 7613 Golden Witch version, a 6 wt, has a somewhat softer tip than the 8013 getting stronger toward the lower tip. I use it as my Hex rod & for throwing big streamers. That is up to the tip transition point, or max tip stress point according to Garrison. The trouble is, really, that I know there are people out there who really do understand taper design, it's getting them to talk to us about it thats the problem. As Lou points out, it is nicest with the kind of ferrule Dickerson made himself. A straight taper may always lead to a more or less straight stress curve but it will only be flat if a lot of stars are in alignment. Dickerson Rods. Jim Payne. As you know line weight do vary so maybe your 8 wt is my 7 wt, or something like that? At The Airport. Ralph Tuttle did the actual spreadsheet work. I have been gobs smacked many times when the customer turns around and says I like this one. Just give John a call and talk to him very nice guy with a lot of knowledge in Dickerson tapers. 8ft #5wt. (Gary Nicholson). double taper silk lines at short ranges. For that matter, how big does the swell actually have to be to stop the action of the rod? (If memory serves me right Tony Young sells step down ferrules for Dickerson rods, so you may try that.) These are our limited edition models, only released every few years. 0.229 ever wonder why all those 10 1/2/64 Heddons broke at the female ferrule? I've also made an 8-1/2' with tip dimension of .072, which made a really nice 6/7 weight. 0.088 I think I can reply for Dennis, as I was one of the guys who measured those rods. Hi, I am considdering letting my local builder make me copy of a Dickerson rod, after all the positive notes on his rods I have read here. I like Dickerson's fast action, but I have not had a chance to try every rod Jim Payne made. by softstick 05/09/09 04:36, Post Regarding the similarities and differences between the 7'6" and 8' Dickerson's. This is merely about applying engineering principles to designing a rod for a particular application. DICKERSON 8013 RBS Special - 8' 2/2 - 5wt- honey colored - the legendary 8013 Special is an impressive and powerful med/fast action all-round trout -- taper miked from a Ray Bergman original shop rod. It sounds very interesting. 40 0.180 146694 (Greg Reeves), TipsHome - What'sNew - Tips - Articles - Tutorials - Contraptions - Contributors - Search Site - ContactUs - TaperArchives However if we can define specific regions (tip, middle, butt) and understand the effect of removing or adding material in these areas. Unknown, so I would hesitate to speculate. If you want a starting point then make the rate of taper 20 thousandths per inch and hollow build to 50 or 60% of original wall thickness. However, a straight line taper will create a rod in which the angle of deflection will increase from the butt to the tip at linear (constant)rate. The American Museum of Fly Fishing is the steward of the history, traditions, and practices of the sport of fly fishing and promotes the conservation of its waters. (four piece) carbon fiber fly rod blank (NOW IN A GLOSSY DARK GREEN) $70.00 9' 6" 5wt. The most interesting rods have a distinctive type of action, and a particular form and design, which is distinctive, and which seems to express a particular maker's vision. Listed as 7 wt but that seems kinda heavy? "God made dogs to steal our hearts and they do.". 6 wt 0.0752 (David Atchison), Didn't Dickerson make his own ferrules and weren't they slightly oversized? 0.369 .350@40 But if you are just interested in a rod made on a Dickerson taper, then any number of qualified makers exist. 0.153 The 6 for the Hex the 7 for streamers. But more relevant and to the point, I bought a single tip Dickerson 7613 from John and he recently provided me with a second tip from pre-embargo cane and original Dickerson hardware, and the action is a dead ringer for the original Dickerson 7613. by SpringCreek 06/12/16 10:45, Post But all right is not a euphemism for excellent. (Chris Obuchowski). 0.278 bamboo fly rod blank (two-piece single tip) - Proof Fly Fishing 6'6" 2wt. Take a virtual tour of our terminal and view our campus map. The long column to the right of that is what we think the raw cane would have measured, subtracting for varnish, and interpolating between our measurements so as to put everything back on 5-inch stations. that drop is a hallmark of all 2pc dickerson tapers. If you look at the individual changes every five inches, no they are not always .014, but the mean and mode are .014". I've built this one which was posted to the rodmaker's listserv years ago. The guy turns out to be a top casting instructor. Dave Norling, Rush River Rods, makes a stepdown 13/12 ferrule, the only size stepdown that he offers , that works very well for this taper. Purchased item: Leonard 38 - Bamboo Vintage Fly Rod Reproduction Bob Thompson Jun 4, 2021 Helpful? You can draw a straight line between the tip and the butt of any taper. by cutthroattroutnm 05/09/09 16:50, Post Lyle Dickerson's famed taper. Strong tip; butt has flex area from 45" to 80" then a butt swell at 80". Information About Makers and Manufacturers, Appraisals & Identification of Bamboo Fly Rods. My intention is not to criticize you, but to try to reveal the "big picture" when looking at tapers and stress curves. I repaired the rod with by putting on a custom ferrule. All through this process you must be aware of the stress curves as well, you don't want to make changes that will cause a rod to fail. Obviously this has to be judicious, as there comes a point where the taper tends more towards an adjacent standard line weight. Can someone email me the taper or point me in the right direction? Again, there is slight flattening around the ferrule, and I suspect the measurement at 35" is due to machine operator error/technique rather than designed in. But all you have done is show the straight line taper for between two dimensions. Measurements under the handle are obviously estimates. Interesting thoughts on line weight and the first 20", I will have to roll that one around in my head for awhile. (Larry Puckett), If you look at page 104 of the Dickerson book you will see his die set. Just as the "super Z's" have a female barrel that is 2/64's larger than the bamboo sleeve or male insert, it is the same, but opposite with the Dickerson style "stepped" ferrules. As we all know, rods can often cast line weights one up and down from their designated ones. When things are stated incorrectly, many of the newer makers on the list can get very confused. anyway that's how I do it. In the upper left corner, in blue, you'll see the real measurements we took, for all 3 flats at each measurement point. Can you direct me to where I can find more information on this? Click here to directly compare the action of the 5 weight tapers marked with an asterisk ( * ) below. .288@30 80 0.296 121171 20 .143 .292 (Robin Haywood). (Lee Koch), I primarily use RodDNA for my taper selection. (Will Price), You can adapt the taper that calls for a step down by putting a slight swell at the male ferrule end of the taper so that a super Z or super Swiss ferrule will work properly. 25 0.142 158834 Then the part of the ferrule that fits on the bamboo inside the male slide 'stepped down' to .187" ID, or 12/64. The Dickerson step down ferrule concept I need to know. And, after you "get used to it" you will fall in love with this rod taper. (Gary Nicholson), I think most rodmakers wouldn't build a rod to sell that they didn't like, but would make one for a customer that they wouldn't use themselves, I know I have. 0.205 It could very well be that you could order just as fast a Payne. 50 0.213 1 wt 0.0540 by alpom 05/08/09 03:35, Post the stated ferrule dimensions always follow from the TIP dimensions, not the butt dimensions. Lyle Dickerson (Michigan) 6-strip Tonkin bamboo Dickerson was a self-taught rodmaker who designed his own rod-milling and planing equipment. 0.350 It is, literally, the shape of the rod itself and determines how . Somehow the "D" was either left off by me in the original posting or was lost in translation to David's site. .but like most opinions you will find that many on this list (and in the world at large) are not going to agree with you. Not that I very much care, these people have a perfect right to their willful ignorance. Know what to expect when you visit LAN, so you can feel prepared for your upcoming trip! Neither of the Powell's on Hexrod are straight taper, I have no Winston tapers handy. the mid is 42' and the closest measurements are 40" and 45" SO 2/5THS THE DIFFERENCE WILL BE BETWEEN 40 AND 42 AND 3/5THS THE DIFFERENCE WILL BE BETWEEN 42 AND 45th. Different tools for doing different things. (Bob Norwood), That is kind of what I was thinking but if the rod is 7'6", that is 90". It seems that a Garrison-type taper with a straight, flat stress curve would be the most likely to be tolerable. Dickerson 8015 Guide Special By Jim Schaaf, 2458 - 11. 6-strip Tonkin bamboo I would argue that the variances are due to machine error, rather than deliberate (consider that you are tapering the strips by running them thru a glorified router, excuse me milling machine, using a worn wooden pattern board running over metal rollers, to determine the taper. (Mark Wendt), I am wanting to build a Dickerson 7012 but cant find a taper that accounts for the step downs. The idea is that the butt must not bend, and when it does its only at the very end, if it bends further down then the height of the line above the ground is dramatically reduced and thus fully one half of the "High speed high line" proposition is not met. Granger. Can do a little better some days, but not always. 65 0.248 134403 Get information on services and amenities, security protocols, health and safety measures, and more. Dickerson 8015 Guide Special, 2607 - 5. Quite a disparity. I am still trying to fully define the effect, positive and negative each of these regions have on rod action. 85 0.296 138357 I just put stepdown ferrules on my first rod, an 8014 Dickerson. Made 2 of the heavier one. 4.6 ounces. The conversion file will convert tapers for Solid and Fluted rods for quad, penta, hepta, and oct construction. Only trouble with the rod is that there aren't many places in Md. a 3 1/2 wt - were that possible. 0.102 Everything is subjective, but for me Morten, the 1949 version of the 8013 listed in the Lovely Reed is the best version of this taper. 20 .140 .298 I've cast the original and it is one strong casting rod and deserving of the Guide Special nomenclature. There are several different specs for this taper out there, three of which I use. (Mark Wendt), Thanks Dennis! I have modified these tapers to adjust them for what I think is a more modern feel. (Paul Blakley). 0.144 (Tom Peters), Dickerson used step down ferrules, use a CSE Step down to recreate that Dickerson classic action. One of our longstanding rod models with classic cane color and a slightly more moderate action. I made the Dickerson 7613 from the numbers in Jack Howells book. There are no great tapers and nobody invented anything. I would go with Thramer. I would be very interested in hearing what you have to say about the differences between the two tapers. CFRF Tapers Tapers from Classic Fly Rod Forum The links below are to "classic" tapers posted to the Classic Fly Rod Forum (http://classicflyrodforum.com) in the Taper Exchange subforum. All that stops me is time, I get about six weeks a year unencumbered by business or meetings and I'm booked up to 2010! A significant part of that application are the prejudices of the person who is going to be using it. (Jerry Foster). Gary - The following taper was taken from a varnished 8013. (Al Baldauski). (Jay Hake), Apparently Dickerson didn't think so. This first set was posted on The Classic Fly Rod Forum by Jeff Fultz. Short cased and portable. 45 0.1985 0.178 1 2 3 Taxes and shipping calculated at checkout, Browse our bamboo fly rods in stock and available now, Browse our collection of reels in stock and available now. At location 45, the taper shows the numbers 208/213. 0.093 (Robin Haywood). by jim royston 05/26/17 08:58, Return to Rod making, restoration, repairs and discussion on those related topics concerning bamboo rods., Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. To all of them and their contemporaries we are grateful . If you want to adjust for a different varnish assumption, or if you want to interpolate differently, then our actual measurements are there for you (or anyone, of course) to do so. 0.241 I am sure there are situations where a bit more length would be helpful, but who am I to argue with Mr. Dickerson? If you want to make overweight rods with unnecessarily heavy tips and relatively floppy butts then straight tapers will deliver. But nobody has a right to ask me to share it. Starting at a tip dimension specific to a given line weight you add diameter to the length of the rod in linier increments until you reach the rod length you want. 0.138 Spring Creek Four, Bob Summers has built and repaired quality bamboo fly rods since 1956. Bamboo Tips - Tips Area Typically it is a heavy tip section combined with a light butt section. Dickerson 8014 Fred Bears Rod, 2606 -1. This board is for discussing the repair and restoration of bamboo fly rods, makers discussion and construction techniques relating to same. The butts are just not stiff enough, although, in some, the tips are quite satisfactory. That's like saying that only the 49ers could find gold. (Harry Boyd), In Dickerson-speak, does a 7613 have a 14 on the butt to 13 on the tip or a 13 on the butt to 12 on the tip stepdown? The Dickerson 7612 taper a smooth medium action 4 wt that is 7 1/2 long in a 2pc. Let's be honest about this. Very nice guy. by Mike McGuire 06/16/16 23:29, Post The taper is designed for trout fishing. (Greg Reeves), Something ain't quite right there. 0.102 Part of the midwestcadre of noted builders, he built rods from the 1930's onward and was especially known for his fast two-piece rods. Another maker who knows Dickerson tapers very well is Rick Cunningham. My 2 cents. Rod making, restoration, repairs and discussion on those related topics concerning bamboo rods. 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